86 560SEL jammed timing chain?

Submitted by rsmartin on 28 June 2008 - 7:43am.
My '86 560SEL with 63K miles has suffered serious injury and my mechanic and I disagree with how to proceed. What do you think? Here are the details. One morning went out and started car, shifted into reverse and thought "something doesn't sound right". Shifted back into park and opened hood. Heard what sounded like valve tap but a much deeper and clunkier sound. Engine, however, is running perfectly smooth, no miss or shake and oil pressure is up and normal. After about minute I decided to turn it off. Tried to restart and nothing. Just a click as the starter engages but no engine turnover. Engine seems to be locked. After a number of weeks I finally had the car towed to my favorite MB mechanic. Since he really only likes diesels, (and i have two-84 and 85 300SD)he says "told you these gassers are junk". I say "lucky you're a mechanic and I have a broken car"!! Engine won't turn over by hand or anything so he takes valve covers off and discovers the hydraulic chain tensioner has failed and the timing chain is loose. BUT he can take up the slack of the chain and turn the engine by turning the valve cams, then the chain, then the valve cams, etc. So obviously something is jamming down below. He takes the oil pan off. No debris in the pan at all, just very clean oil. HERE's the IMPORTANT part. He is able to slowly turn the engine as described above AND at TDC everything is perfectly in alignment. Cams shafts perfectly lined up with the mark, timing etc. So the chain has not jumped or slipped. Mechanic still says, you'll have bent valves and need to take heads off and rebuild etc. I say, how can the valves be bent if the engine was never out of time!! He says, the chain had enough play in it to allow the cams to be out of time without the chain jumping. I say hogwash!! I say, do a leak down compression test first to determine if there are potential bent valves. He says, it's a ton of work to tear the front of the engine off to replace the chain guides and chain and might as well just go whole hog and do the heads as well. I hate to pay for unnecessary work!! So who's right? What should I do?? BTW, does you little book on the V8 engine recommend changing the hydraulic tensioner at a certain age? Wish I had known that. I only got to drive this car for about three months before this happened. I bought it with 53K and put about 10K on it. Thanks for input.

Do a compression test if at all possible.

29 June 2008 - 10:56pm
Kent Bergsma

Try to do whatever you can to get the engine to spin over with the starter. You don't need a leak down test for bent valves. Just a good old cranking compression test will do just fine. Even the very slightest bend in any valve will give you a near zero compression reading.

I once purchased a pristine low mileage 85 380SL (73K). It swallowed the left side upper guide rail into the chain and the chain jumped the cam sprocket 3 teeth. Once I was able to get the timing lined back up, I did a cranking compression test. Sure enough no compression on any cylinder in the left bank, but the right side readings were all within spec. I decided to take a chance and just pull the left head. The previous owner told me the damaged happened when the engine was running at low speed. All four intake valves were bent but no visible damage to top of piston. Rebuilt the head - put it all back together - and the engine has run beautifully for years.

You did not say if you found any sections of the upper guide rails missing. Be sure to check that first. Install a new tensioner and turn the engine over three or four times by hand and recheck timing before you start cranking with the starter motor. If your compression is ok - just change the chain, tensioner and upper guide rails - and you can do that yourself without taking the engine all apart (refer to my manual).

You can not believe how many customers have reported that my Catastrophic V8 Failure manual saved their bacon. A number have found loose oiler tubes and others have actually found broken pieces of upper guide rails just laying in the cylinder head ready to be sucked up by the timing chain. I would recommend you read this manual before you do or have any permanent work down on your engine.

Be careful about - getting too deep into the engine - by the time you are done you may have more money in the engine than the car is worth. With the current price of gas right now even pristine 560SELs can be bought very cheaply. Just my humble opinion of course.

86 560sel jammed timing chain?

30 June 2008 - 9:21am
rsmartin
The upper guides rails are all intact. We haven't been able to see anything that's broken yet, but something is binding the chain on the lower end. We put another hydraulic tensioner on but the chain still seems to bind down below. Could it be a lower guide that has broken and jammed? The engine is still in perfect time according to the cam markings and distributor. When the chain binds, we turn the left cam and take up the slack then we can turn the engine a little until it binds again and then we turn the cam, take up the slack, etc.